Result?

Could it be that I am finally getting somewhere? This arrived today from our man at British Gas:

Thank you for your email that I received yesterday.

You have received reminder notices from us for a different amount to the actual outstanding balance.  In addition to this, you have provided me with electricity meter readings to help me resolve your enquiry, thank you very much for taking the time to provide your meter readings.

Please ignore the estimated bills that you have received and the subsequent reminder letters.  I have cancelled these off your account to ensure your credit rating is unaffected by this matter.  I have attached copies of your gas and electricity bill from our billing system to clarify your correct outstanding balances.  I confirm your gas account shows an outstanding balance of £361.55.

I confirm that from 27 October 2009 to 9 November 2009 you have used 75 units in 14 days at an average of 5.35 units per day.  If we apply your average consumption to 14 August 2006 this would leave a meter reading of 24863.  You have already paid up to 25186 on our old system when your electricity account was closed in error.  Therefore, I have updated our records to show the meter reading of 25186 on 14 August 2006 the day we reopened your electricity account as if you had never left us.  I have also updated all other databases and left detailed notes of my investigation on your account to prevent our records being changed.

Therefore, your electricity account has now been billed from 14 August 2006 (meter reading of 25186) up to your recent meter reading on 9 November 2009 of 31688.  During this period you have used £879.51 (approximately £23.00 per month).  We have received £282.53 in payments and also credited your electricity account with £350.57 as a gesture of goodwill, thus leaving an outstanding balance of £246.41.

In order to fully resolve this matter, I propose that we make a reduction to your electricity bill of £46.41, leaving £200.00 to pay.  Please confirm by email if you are satisfied with this reduction.  Our policy is to cover the costs involved in contacting us by telephone and by letter. Unfortunately, we do not compensate for your time and inconvenience although we appreciate the efforts you have taken to seek a resolution to your enquiry.

I understand why you have expressed an interest in switching to another supplier.  However, you are currently benefiting from the cheapest standard rate tariff on average across the U.K.   Furthermore, our online tariff remains very competitive and provides you with a minimum of 6% discount on the British Gas standard tariff rates for gas and electricity throughout the period of the contract.  This tariff is only available to customers signing up online.  Visit www.britishgas.co.uk, where you can find out more.

I am sorry for the problems you have experienced with British Gas.  This is not the experience we aim to provide our customers.  Thank you for your continued co operation and allowing me the time to investigate your enquiry.

So we’ve suddenly moved from owing thousands to just £200.00? Fascinating!

Let’s see if our man will actually commit his totals to invoice paper so that I can at last settle this nightmare once and for all.

Old Habits Die Hard…

I came home tonight to a letter from British Gas. It was one of those cut off notices. How jolly nice to see that British Gas are back to their old tricks! Time for yet another letter to my man at British Gas, I think…

Dear Mr Man at British Gas,

in the letter that arrived today I am being reprimanded for not paying £273.59 worth of gas bill. Interesting, mainly because I have not yet had a final invoice from you as requested (twice) in previous correspondence. I said I would agree to pay as long as I got a final invoice. Instead what you have sent me so far are ESTIMATED bills, one dated 29th September and the other dated 13th October.

And guess what, Mr Man at British Gas: neither of the estimated bills I have received show an outstanding balance of £273.59, which is the amount demanded in the threat letter that arrived today. Instead British Gas claim I owe £504.41 on the 29th September and £361.55 on the 13th October. Ok, so in spite of gas usage, my invoice total is going backwards? Nice!

What do I actually owe British Gas for my gas account, Mr Man at British Gas? I cannot tell from this mess.

This is precisely the reason why I demand that you send me an actual final invoice which I will then pay on time and move to another company that employs people who have basic numeracy skills. I would encourage you to put any payment chases on hold until your people have managed to sort out a correct final invoice or I may just need to write to my MP again.

As for my still unresolved electricity bill, I have religiously recorded my electricity meter readings on a daily basis now for 14 days. Here are the magic numbers:

31613 – 27thOct
31617 – 28th Oct
31623 – 29th Oct
31629 – 30th Oct
31634 – 31st Oct
31640  – 1st Nov
31646  – 2nd Nov
31652  – 3rd Nov
31657  – 4th Nov
31662  – 5th Nov
31667  – 6th Nov
31674  – 7th Nov
31683  – 8th Nov
31688  – 9th Nov

Can you spot a trend in that list of numbers there, Mr Man at British Gas? I would say that it seems that I use between 5 and 6 units of electricity a day, wouldn’t you agree? (or strictly speaking 5.357 units per day over 14 days)

Here is the clever bit: if there are 365 days in a typical year, and if we agree that I use 6 units a day, then 365×6 adds up to 2190 units per year (or 1955.357 units if you use the 5.357×365 rather than rounding things up to 6 units flat). Isn’t that amazing?

I leave you to ponder those figures for now, Mr Man at British Gas. Please feel free to contact me again when you can report back with a bunch of correct invoices.

You can tell by the tone of my response just how tired I am of having to deal with this epic. *sigh*

 


 

PS:
My scanner is playing up tonight, so I am currently unable to post the latest correspondence on here. Hopefully I’ll get round to that next weekend.

More Admissions of Error and a Few New Figures

I have had another response from our man at British Gas. It is another fine attempt at bamboozling everyone. Here are the best bits:

I confirm that your electricity supply was transferred away from British Gas on 13 August 2006 using the meter reading of 25186. However, as your account had been transferred to another supplier in error we reopened your electricity account.

Unfortunately, when we reopened your electricity account the meter reading of 35333 was used, this gave me the impression that we had not billed you for 10147 units. Having investigated your enquiry further, I have established that we had corrected this problem and amended the meter reading of 35333 to 25186, to follow on from when your electricity account was closed in error. I confirm that the correct actions were taken at this point to ensure you received accurate bills.

Regrettably, the agent that took the actions to try and resolve this matter did not update the national database which also holds meter readings. Therefore, our billing system showed a meter reading of 25186 which was correct, and the national database showed the incorrect meter reading of 35333. As a result, a specialist team amended the meter reading on our billing system to match the national database.

I have taken a look at the notes we have recorded on your electricity account and I confirm that you have provided the following meter readings either side of the date your electricity transferred in error.

23 October 2005 23326
26 November 2006 30743

As you can see these meter readings are in line with your average consumption and the meter reading of 25186 on 13 August 2006. It is due to the fact that because your electricity account was amended to show the meter reading of 35333 all your correct readings, which were lower than 35333, were stored only and not used to bill you.

To resolve this matter I have arranged to update the national database to show the meter reading of 25186 on 13 August 2009. I will then be able to obtain an up to date meter reading to send you a correct bill. Alternatively, you can provide me with an up to date meter reading by replying to my email. There is no specific timescale in updating the national database; however I have already taken the necessary steps to resolve this matter.

I scratch my head and check my meter again, and it reads 31590 today. Interesting. According to the above, this means that since Nov 2006 I have used 847 units of electricity! Erm, ok then.

And I am really not quite sure why he has ” … arranged to update the national database to show the meter reading of 25186 on 13 August 2009” . I utter a confused huh?! and move swiftly on.

Time to go through things once more:

25186 units on my meter in August 2006
31590 units on my meter in October 2009

That works out to be a total consumption from Aug06 to date as 6404 units, an annual total of roughly around 1506.82 units or an average monthly consumption of 125.56 units. Consumer Focus endorsed site uSwitch calculates this as “£222.56 a year for electricity based on a consumption of 1507kWh for electricity with British Gas”

This means that even if British Gas were to back bill me all the way to August 2006, the total would not even come close to £1,000 (remember, we started with a disputed bill of over £2,800 in August last year!).  Bearing in mind that I already paid them £282.53 in January 2009, I effectively owe them a lot less than £700 for the entire period, especially when we take into consideration how much prices have risen in the the same period of time. Oh and not forgetting an allowance for back billing and a suitable offer of compensation for all this mess, of course!

Let’s dream a little further, shall we? British Gas have so far held on to my account and not allowed me to switch, therefore making me pay a higher electricity price while they are trying to work out all their errors. According to uSwitch, my annual bill could be £138.19 with EDF this year or £171.08 with nPower. That’s quite a bit of money I could have saved if British Gas had allowed me to move by now. Their slow processes are costing me money. Why am I forced to pay for this?

Make me an offer, British Gas, I dare you!

Another Agent, Another Set of Numbers

After a week away at various conferences, I am now back for the next round of battles!

An email from British Gas reached me on October 2nd:

Thank you for your recent enquiry to Consumer Focus, which we received on 1 October 2009.  The details of your enquiry have been passed to me to investigate.

You previously approached the Energy Supply Ombudsman and upon their recommendations you were under the impression that all your bills had been settled.  After we carried out the final recommendations agreed by the Energy Supply Ombudsman you still do not feel this matter has been resolved.

I confirm that your gas and electricity accounts have been placed on hold whilst your enquiry raised by Consumer Focus is being investigated.  I understand that you were under the impression that your gas bill up to 2 December 2008 was £673.51 after you received confirmation from two of our agents.  In addition to this, the Energy Supply Ombudsman awarded you £125.00 to be credited to your gas bill, leaving £548.51 to pay.  I confirm that we have received your payment for this amount.

As you requested copies of your bills, on 16 April 2009 we sent you a new gas bill covering your consumption from 10 May 2006 to 27 March 2009.  I have looked at this bill and calculated how much of this bill was for gas used after 2 December 2008.  I have attached a copy of this bill and highlighted (see red box) the gas charges between 2 December 2008 and 27 March 2009; please consider this excludes VAT.

Between 2 December 2008 and 27 March 2009 you used £245.75 (before VAT); as we charge VAT at 5% your charges for this period would be £258.04.  As you were under the impression that a payment of £548.51 would cover your gas up to 2 December 2008 and you used a further £258.04 up to 27 March 2009 your outstanding balance would be £806.55 (excluding your payment).

Your bill dated 16 April 2009, shows an outstanding balance of £935.41.  To resolve the problems you have had with your gas account I propose that we remove £128.86 from your gas bill dated 16 April 2009.   This would leave your outstanding balance up to 27 March 2009 at £806.55, which consists of the amount you expected to pay up to 2 December 2008 and the further amount you used up to 27 March 2009.

After 27 March 2007, we sent you two further bills which I have also attached for your information.  Your bill dated 31 May 2009 covers the gas you used between 28 March 2009 and 24 April 2009, the amount you consumed was £32.58.  The second bill dated 29 September 2009 covers the gas used between 25 April 2009 and 29 September 2009 and amounts to £134.54.  During the same period that these two bills cover you paid us £31.03 on 15 June 2009.  A late payment charge of £14.00 was also added to your account on 4 June 2009 which I will be willing to remove as a goodwill gesture.

To summarise the above please refer to the details below,

Your outstanding gas balance used up to 2 December 2008 as advised by our agents:                 £673.51

Compensation payment awarded by Energy Supply Ombudsman:                                                  – £125.00

Gas Used from 2 December 2008 to 27 March 2009 (including VAT):                                              + £258.04

Gas Used from 28 March 2009 to 24 April 2009 (including VAT):                                                      + £32.58

Payment received on 29 April 2009:                                                                                                   – £548.51

Payment received on 15 June 2009:                                                                                                  – £31.03

Gas Used from 25 April 2009 to 29 September 2009 (including VAT):                                              + £101.96

———————————————————————————————————————————————————–

Outstanding Balance: £361.55

If you are satisfied with my calculations then I will add £142.86 (includes the £14.00 late payment charge) credit to your gas account to leave the outstanding balance at £361.55.  Please can you contact me or reply to my email to confirm if you accept my offer?  I am available on 0800 107 0184 from Tuesday to Friday 10.00am to 8.00pm.

I have also fully investigated your electricity account and I have also attached copies of your electricity bills demonstrating how your outstanding balance has accrued.

On 12 August 2006, your electricity account erroneously left us on a ‘final’ meter reading of 25186.  It was not until 12 September 2007 that your electricity account was reopened due to a technical error with our systems.

Your new electricity account started on 12 September 2007 with the meter reading of 35333.  Therefore, we did not charge you for any electricity used between 12 August 2006 and 12 September 2007.  This also means that we did not charge you for the 10147 units between your meter readings on 12 August 2006 and 12 September 2007.

When we reopened your electricity account your first bill was sent on 8 December 2008 and has since been cancelled and replaced.  Due to the delay in billing you for electricity, we added a credit to your account under the back billing guidelines of £350.57.  In total, we have written £350.57 off your electricity bill and not charged you for 10147 units (over a year’s consumption).

To clarify what you have used and paid, please refer to the information below.  Please consider that since January 2009 we have used estimated meter readings.  To get a more up to date and accurate bill please provide me with an up to date electricity meter reading when you reply to this email or contact me.

Bill Dated:                                25 March 2009

Billing Period:                          14 August 2006 to 26 January 2009

Electricity Used:                      £1600.35

Payments received:                – £282.53

Credit allowance:                    – £350.57

—————————————————————————————————

Outstanding Balance:          £967.25

Bill Dated:                                26 August 2009

Billing Period:                          27 January 2009 to 23 May 2009

Balance Carried Forward:      £967.25

Electricity Used:                      + £82.71

Late Payment Charge:                        + £14.00

—————————————————————————————————

Outstanding Balance:          £1063.96

Bill Dated:                                27 August 2009

Billing Period:                          24 May 2009 to 25 August 2009

Balance Carried Forward:      £967.25

Electricity Used:                      + £1445.52

—————————————————————————————————

Outstanding Balance:          £2509.48

By paying direct debit you can save up to £8.75 (including VAT) per quarter off your gas bill and £10.00 (including VAT) per quarter off your electricity bill.  Over a year you could save up to £75.00 off your bills.  We will also be able to spread your outstanding balances over a year.

I am sorry for the problems you have experienced with British Gas.  This is not the experience we aim to provide our customers.  Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention and for your continued co operation.

Yours sincerely

xxxxxxxxxxx

Customer Relations


Fascinating! Let’s look at some of the specifics:

The first thing that annoys me is the cheek of £14 late payment charge British Gas would like to raise against each of my accounts. How tempted am I to apply £14 inconvenience charge for every phone call I have had to make and every email I have had to write for them to deal with this case! British Gas agents get paid for all this admin; it’s their job. I, on the other hand, have had to invest all of my unpaid own time, in some cases take time off work, in order to deal with this mess. – In fact, I am so tempted, I might just go through my list of emails and write up an invoice of admin fees. I bet it would exceed any amounts that British Gas claim I owe them.

Also notice that this new agent comes up with a final gas total of £361.55. Can anyone explain to me why British Gas have been harrassing me for anything up to £419.48 over the past few weeks and months? Is this so that if I do pay them the £361.55 they can immediately send me a bill the following day claiming I owe them some more money? Remember that British Gas never issued me a bill that detailed exactly how they actually came up with the £402.45 total. All this aside, £361.55 is a completely new figure that has never featured in this saga before  – the closest we got to this amount was a threat letter in May which demanded £386.90.

And of course none of the above (apart from the late payment charge of £14) matches up with the Estimated Invoice I was sent on the 29th Sep.

The agent’s reinterpretation of what happened to my electricity account makes interesting reading, too, and rather than clarifying matters, things appear as confused as ever:

On 12 August 2006, your electricity account erroneously left us on a ‘final’ meter reading of 25186.  It was not until 12 September 2007 that your electricity account was reopened due to a technical error with our systems.

Ok, so what happened to the two invoices I have from Feb 2007, when I queried once again British Gas’s overestimates and provided new actual readings to them? If the ‘final’ was in August 06 and the account was only reinstated in September 07, the invoices I have here in front of me must be a figment of my imagination!

Your new electricity account started on 12 September 2007 with the meter reading of 35333.

I am intrigued where this new customer service agent gets the figure of 35333 from, because I have the 8th December  2008 invoice here that states a meter reading of 31292 on 26th Oct 2007.

Therefore, we did not charge you for any electricity used between 12 August 2006 and 12 September 2007.  This also means that we did not charge you for the 10147 units between your meter readings on 12 August 2006 and 12 September 2007. [...] In total, we have written £350.57 off your electricity bill and not charged you for 10147 units (over a year’s consumption).

If this is the case, then that means that my annual consumption of electricity is less than £350.57, correct? This then raises the question why British Gas are trying to charge me £1445.52 for their billing period of 24 May 2009 to 25 August 2009. Could it possibly be that their figures are still incorrect?

Further, if 12 months worth of electricity have been written off, why does the period of 12th Aug 06 and 12 Sep 07 still feature on the breakdown in the form of an outstanding £967.25? What precisely is this amount for? Let’s remember that according to British Gas my annual consumption appears to be less than £350 (see above) and therefore £967.25 would cover around 2 years and 8 months worth of electricity. Something here does not add up!

Taking it even further, the sum of £1,600.35 over a period of 28 months that the agent quotes would work out as an electricity consumption of £57.16 per month, which is a completely ludicrous amount given my low-energy circumstances – especially when the agent confirms himself that my consumption is less than £350 a year , ie something closer to £29 per month.

Fascinating is also how all common sense is suspended in the bit of the billing breakdown where between 27th Jan 09 and 23rd May 2009 I am said to have used £82.71 and between the 24th May 09 and 25th August 09 I am supposed to have used £1,445.52. Here we have two similar time periods and no change in any electricity consumption in my home (in fact, I was away for a period in August where my home was empty!), so why the huge difference?

But of course the whole issue of sums for the electricity account is quite irrelevant anyway: British Gas gave it to me in writing that my account was paid off in full with the payment of £282.53 in January. British Gas did not challenge this when the Ombudsman acknowledged the account as paid in full in their March 2009 report.

Just one final thing to question:

Please consider that since January 2009 we have used estimated meter readings.

So what exactly happened to the various readings I provided over the telephone and by email since Jan 09 in the process of this long investigation?

Consumer Focus pokes British Gas

Consumer FocusIt seems I might finally be getting somewhere in this epic case: on Saturday this letter arrived as I had been promised.

British Gas have consequently emailed me to say they are holding their credit hounds for now. Result!

The entire email is basically a very long overview of their side of the story, and, of course, they are still insisting that they are in the right. Interestingly, though perhaps not surprising, the amount they now quote me as outstanding on the gas account has dipped below the amount on their last threat letter.

The email will get my usual tooth-comb treatment and once I have managed to get through it, I shall report back here.